L.M. v. A.M.

Decision Date30 April 2021
Docket NumberDOCKET NO. A-1703-19
PartiesL.M., Plaintiff-Appellant, v. A.M., Defendant-Respondent.
CourtNew Jersey Superior Court — Appellate Division

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Before Judges Gilson, Moynihan, and Gummer.

On appeal from the Superior Court of New Jersey, Chancery Division, Family Part, Camden County, Docket No. FM-04-1330-18.

Kourtney A. Borchers argued the cause for appellant (Weinberger Divorce & Family Law Group, LLC, attorneys; Kourtney A. Borchers, on the brief).

Carolyn G. Labin argued the cause for respondent (Klineburger and Nussey, attorneys; D. Ryan Nussey and Carolyn G. Labin, on the brief).

PER CURIAM

In this appeal of post-judgment matrimonial orders, plaintiff L.M. (Lucy)1 argues the denial of her application to relocate to Pennsylvania with the parties' then twelve-year-old child was erroneous because, among other reasons, the trial judge erred in his interview of their child, improperly focused on Lucy's stipulation that she would not move without their child, and did not correctly analyze the best interests of the child pursuant to Bisbing v. Bisbing, 230 N.J. 309 (2017). She also appeals an order awarding defendant A.M. (Adam) counsel fees and costs incurred in connection with her motion for reconsideration and an order granting Adam additional parenting time. We affirm the orders denying the relocation motion and granting additional parenting time and reverse the counsel fee award.

I.

Lucy and Adam were married in 2004 and had one daughter, R.M. (Ruth), who was born in 2007. The parties separated in 2012 and divorced in 2018. Their final judgment of divorce incorporated their settlement agreement. They agreed to share joint legal custody of Ruth, with Lucy being the parent of primary residence and Adam being the parent of alternate residence, havingparenting time every other weekend. Adam, at times, also would see Ruth during the week. That arrangement had been in place since their separation in 2012.

In October 2018, Lucy met Joan in person after having communicated with her online since April. Lucy and Joan became engaged in December 2018 and married in April 2019. About two months later, Lucy filed a motion to relocate with Ruth to Pennsylvania, where Joan and her seven-year-old daughter lived, over three hours from where Adam lived in New Jersey. Adam filed a motion for primary residential custody and to establish new parenting plans depending on whether Lucy relocated with Ruth. Adam planned to continue to live in New Jersey with his fiancé Charlene and her eight-year-old son, less than twenty minutes from where Ruth lived with Lucy.

At oral argument on the parties' motions, counsel for both parties stated their agreement that the judge should interview Ruth and conduct a plenary hearing. The judge gave counsel an opportunity to submit ten questions before the interview.

Ruth was almost twelve on the day of the interview. After explaining that his "job" was to act in her best interests and giving her an opportunity to ask him questions, the judge began the interview by asking Ruth to tell him aboutherself. The first thing Ruth said was that she played field hockey and other sports. She talked about her extensive involvement in multiple sports and spending time with friends. When he asked her if she knew why she was meeting with him, Ruth answered, "[b]ecause you're trying to figure out where I'm going to live."

The judge inquired about her living arrangements in New Jersey and in Pennsylvania. He asked Ruth, "do you get along with [Joan]?" She answered, "[n]o." The judge requested that Ruth "[t]ell me about that."

[RUTH]: Like I never liked her, ever, like but my mom said that she thought I didn't like her -- I meant she thought I liked her in the beginning, but I just thought that it wouldn't last because all of her other girlfriends didn't so I just like assumed, so I didn't want to like hurt her feelings I guess by telling her I didn't like her.
THE [JUDGE]: Okay. And why -- what about her don't you like?
[RUTH]: She's like really like awkward and she never talks, like ever. Like she doesn't even really talk to my mom and she's just like awkward and she's like really like smart -- she tries to be smart and make like smart comments. Like my mom -- out of coming out of like Wawa or something, like she made me hold the door for her and she was like first time -- like first time I've seen you do something nice for me or something.

The judge asked her about her relationship with Adam's fiancé Charlene.

[RUTH]: Um, I don't know, they're like really nice and I kind of -- I kind of like having them around better cause I feel like -- I don't know, they're just like -- they make things easier I feel like. I don't know. And like [Charlene's son's] someone to like hang out with and stuff because I really like him.

The judge asked her which parent she talks to more when she has problems. She answered, "I don't really talk to . . . either of them." He asked her which parent she would call first if she were hurt. She responded, "[p]robably my mom." She began to cry after that response. When the questioning resumed, she told the judge she would call her mom if she were hurt because she lived with her. She stated both parents attended her sports events and described the activities she liked to do with each parent.

The judge asked Ruth if she understood that she would have to change schools whether she moved with her mother to Pennsylvania or moved to live with her father in New Jersey. Ruth believed she could stay at her school if she lived with her father. The judge explained that she likely would not be able to stay at the same school if she lived with her father because he lived in a different school district. Having explained that to her, he asked if she had a preference about where to attend school.

THE [JUDGE]: Now, I guess one of the -- I have to ask this, I know that you love both your parents, but wheredo you want to go to school, in Pennsylvania or in New Jersey?
[RUTH]: New Jersey.
THE [JUDGE]: Why?
[RUTH]: Because if I go to New Jersey I can still play for my club team --

The portion of the interview about which Lucy now objects began just after that exchange.

THE [JUDGE]: And, I mean, in picking between living with your dad and your mom, is it equal? I mean, do you prefer living with your mom? Do you prefer living with your dad?
[RUTH]: Like --
THE [JUDGE]: The problem is with the fact that you're -- you don't get along with [Joan] --
[RUTH]: Yeah.
THE [JUDGE]: -- so what you're saying is that if it was just your mom and you had to move to Pennsylvania, you'd want to live with her? No?
[RUTH]: Maybe. Yeah, probably. I don't know.
THE [JUDGE]: So -- so what I'm hearing is, even though you didn't quite say it this way --
[RUTH]: Ah-huh.
THE [JUDGE]: -- if it was just your mom versus your mom and [Charlene], it would be kind of equal --
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: -- but if it's a choice between your dad and [Charlene] and your mom and [Joan], you want to live with your dad and [Charlene]?
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: It feels more like a family with them?
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.

Later in the interview, the judge asked Ruth an open-ended question.

THE [JUDGE]: What else -- is there anything that you want to tell me especially?
[RUTH]: I guess that like it's not like -- my grandma too, like she lives right -- right near my dad, so if I live with my dad I still get to see her.
THE [JUDGE]: Are you close with your grandmom?
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: Did your dad tell you to tell me about your grandmom?
[RUTH]: (No audible response).
THE [JUDGE]: No. Does your mom have any family around here?
[RUTH]: My grandma.
THE [JUDGE]: So that's your grandma that you just mentioned?
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: So that's your -- your mom's mother?
[RUTH]: Yeah, my other grandma lives in Florida but only comes up in the summer because she has a camp ground down here.
THE [JUDGE]: Okay. Do you like spending time with your grandmom?
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: Do you see her a lot now?
[RUTH]: Like probably like once every week. It used to be less because I feel like then -- I don't know --
THE [JUDGE]: What kinds of things --
[RUTH]: I feel like I've gotten closer like for the last year I guess, I feel like I got closer with her.
THE [JUDGE]: Okay. What kind of things do you do with your grandmom?
[RUTH]: Um, we go shopping and she has like -- like a garden and stuff, and like --

The judge asked Ruth if her parents talked to her about each other.

THE [JUDGE]: Does your dad at all talk about your mom?
[RUTH]: Not usually.
THE [JUDGE]: Does your mom ever talk about your dad?
[RUTH]: I mean, like she was like talking about how he like only sees me like four days in the month -- that he only sees me like four days in a month or something, and that -- and like that I -- she wondered why I wanted to live with him.

The judge asked her with whom she would want to live if she did not have to move.

THE [JUDGE]: I'm not sure -- I mean, if you didn't have to move, you'd want to stay with your mom?
[RUTH]: Not really.
THE [JUDGE]: Not really.

Before the end of the interview, the judge asked Ruth if she had any questions.

[RUTH]: If like -- if you were -- like you have no -- like you can't like control where she -- like where my mom moves like at all, right?
THE [JUDGE]: No --
[RUTH]: Like --
THE [JUDGE]: -- but what I -- what I can do is say if she moves, then you're going to live with your dad.
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: I can't say that she can't move. All I can say is that if she moves, you stay with your dad. But it seems to me from what you said, it's not about where she lives --
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: -- it's about with who she lives --
[RUTH]: Mm-hmm.
THE [JUDGE]: -- and that you --
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